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Anil Sinha Augusta GA USA DATE : 26 Oct, 09

Nice descroption about the history of the Bishnupriya Manipuries and the concept shows how the histroy has been shown to the Bishnupriya Manipuries, specially the up coming generation who donot know our own background from where the Bishnupriya Manipury originated, Hats OFF to who ever did the research by bringing back the history of the Bishnupriya Manipuries 
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Kungo Ami By Babita Sinha. After Utho Bishnupriya Manipuri, another gem from Babita Sinha. She says the ongoing campaign by www.bishnupriyamanipuri.org, Kungo Ami? has inspired her to write few lines on the theme. 09 Apr, 09

Kungo Ami , Kungo Ami
Ami kungo nachinesitai ami

                Amar itihas amar porichoy
                Ebaka outa pakoril somoi

Ahedik amar beibuni habi
Aakik habiye emar chhobi

                Amar methel ,okorik khana
                Malthepe habiye okorik jana

Kungo ami kungo ami
Ami kungo chintangai ami

                Ahik habiye miliya khalkorik
                Amar ema endolore bahire nikaleik

Purnimar junak koriya salkorik
Chinik sou kungo bujon kungo

                Udin te namatangai ami kungo.
                Pulkorik amar itihas,habihan miliya

Dangor oitangyei udin ami, kungo buliya.
Kungo ami namattangai ami

                Ami kungo chintangai ami.
                Jai Ema Bishnupriya


Babita Sinha
Probal Atreya Bangalore DATE : 5 Apr, 09

Very important feed, that most of us are not aware about. And, it also made me all the more inquisitive. No criticism, just playing Devil\'s Advocate out here.
1) Do we have copies of LSI substanciating the same? If yes, who\'s preserving this; or is it preserved by a body as such! Or is it like LSI reports could be available to us whenever we request for.
2) Mr.Saha\'s dissertation would not have had happened without proper scrutiny. But what was the process of scrutiny and checks involved. I do not question ASI but trying to figure the base out of it.
3) Highly appreciate the referred authors here and their efforts. Was curious on what was their reference point? Some of the work done in the 18th century and early 19th, how did they manage to do that. Did they have ancient manuscripts that supported them? How did they know about 15th century? Or was it just the mere democratic way to express or did they have anything that substanciates it? If yes, what? PS- No offence intended; Infact i know one of the authors personally; probably i\'ll ask the same when i meet him the next time. But the larger point is to ask, within ourselves, whether or not we could explain ourselves and find more clarity in this MOST important subject. Lets all use the five tools of a Wise man- Why, When, How, What, When and use this platform. Anyone throwing some light here would be highly appreciated.
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Birendra Sinha Reply to Probal Atreya DATE : 5 Apr, 09

Dear Prabal, Vaild question but difficult. The Aryans by habit were never very archive record friendly. They believed in oral history. Also the Why, when , how, what , when is the way to go about things but not applicable always. There are many issues in the world which dont follow formats. Take for instance the Mizos thought they were from Israel according to one theory which followed all the formats. But ultimately they found it baseless. Similarly here the why is asking what exactly? Can you please elaborate what do you mean by why? When i guess is there - 15th AD How is also given - when Bishnupriya manipuris were attacked.

Dear Prabal, Now let me ask you a question. How can a person staying in the 18th Century know what happened in the 15th Century. This is what research is all about. There are ways people who specialise come out with theories. Its not based on blank guesses and assumptions. You have to ask someone who works in Archaelogy or has studied the subject. Read the following: Might help you Valley Society of Manipur, R K Saha The Linguistic Survey of India , 1891, G A Grieson Khumal Puran , Pt Navakhendra The Term Bishnupriya Manipuri, Dr K P Sinha

\" But the larger point is to ask, within ourselves, whether or not we could explain ourselves and find more clarity in this MOST important subject.\" My question here - Prabal what clarity are you talking about. Do you intend to say all our ancestors have been calling themselves Manipuris for no reason for decades!! Also please remember our history, records have been burnt to ashes. Pur people are forced not to speak in Bishnupriya manipuri. Do we have the sufficient inffrasturcture, support to find clarity? Our ancestors are our records. They have enough clarity - we are the Manipuris driven away from manipur.

Thanks, Birendra Sinha

Birendra Sinha Reply to Probal Atreya DATE : 5 Apr, 09

Dear Prabal, Vaild question but difficult. The Aryans by habit were never very archive record friendly. They believed in oral history. Also the Why, when , how, what , when is the way to go about things but not applicable always. There are many issues in the world which dont follow formats. Take for instance the Mizos thought they were from Israel according to one theory which followed all the formats. But ultimately they found it baseless. Similarly here the why is asking what exactly? Can you please elaborate what do you mean by why? When i guess is there - 15th AD How is also given - when Bishnupriya manipuris were attacked.

Dear Prabal, Now let me ask you a question. How can a person staying in the 18th Century know what happened in the 15th Century. This is what research is all about. There are ways people who specialise come out with theories. Its not based on blank guesses and assumptions. You have to ask someone who works in Archaelogy or has studied the subject. Read the following: Might help you Valley Society of Manipur, R K Saha The Linguistic Survey of India , 1891, G A Grieson Khumal Puran , Pt Navakhendra The Term Bishnupriya Manipuri, Dr K P Sinha

\" But the larger point is to ask, within ourselves, whether or not we could explain ourselves and find more clarity in this MOST important subject.\" My question here - Prabal what clarity are you talking about. Do you intend to say all our ancestors have been calling themselves Manipuris for no reason for decades!! Also please remember our history, records have been burnt to ashes. Pur people are forced not to speak in Bishnupriya manipuri. Do we have the sufficient inffrasturcture, support to find clarity? Our ancestors are our records. They have enough clarity - we are the Manipuris driven away from manipur.

Thanks, Birendra Sinha

An appeal to all

Dear Readers,
This pertains to Kungo Ami? The name itself suggests that in many ways we have gone beyond conventions. Beyond grammar. Beyond what's just given to us on a plate.
As mentioned in the introductory note of Kungo Ami?, this section is not a mute reference platform. It is an interactive platform where opinions exchange. Views presented. Views decoded. Here ignorance is not bliss. Here ignorance is a skill that would provoke many questions that need to be asked. Questions that would transform chaos into clarity. Questions that would convert myth to facts. Questions that would solidify our beliefs. Questions are important here. Encouraging those questions are even more important. Let's debate on a logical platform. Let opinions, questions have a free flow. At the same time let's take criticism in the right spirit.

Would also request readers not to end the topic on this web page. If required please carry it home. Discuss it with your friends, family especially elders. This subject goes beyond a website or a book. Perhaps you may come up with a substantial reference. Or perhaps you might just ask a question which may be lead to the much needed answer.

It's an appeal to all to maintain a healthy debate so that it allows genuine knowledge to flow in.

The world surely has some answers waiting for us. But to reach those answers, we need questions to knock on the door.

We welcome your questions. The door's open. Step in !

EDITOR (www.bishnupriyamanipuri.org)

Brahmanand Sinha Reply to Probal Atreya DATE : 8 Apr, 09

Dear Probal,

Well , histories are written with proper research and studying all the available reference books or related materials of any research done by any one earlier. In case of writing history about any clan or community then survey report or study works by few Govt. organizations are considered as reference viz., Linguistic Survey of India, Anthropological Survey of India, Archeological Survey of India . All these organizations conduct their survey periodically. Apart from all the references a close study of the particular clan is also required like their food habits, features, ethical costumes, language, geographical and demographical existence and also to the traditionally believed historical stories traveled through generations, sometime ancient manuscripts if available . And all these findings are archived by National Archive of india or Rashtirya Abhilekhagar situated at Janpath , New Delhi.

Bramhananda Sinha

 

Probal Atreya Reply to Brahmanand Sinha DATE : 9 Apr, 09

Sir, Thank you. The kind of answers I was looking forward to. I now know that there’s some data/historical evidence that’s there in Rashtriya Abhilekh Agar. Similarly, I’m sure there are lot of learned people who would have more to add on to the same. Looking forward for more. Thanks
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